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mind_wander -

hmm, interesting the type of chinese tv series: Return of the Condor Hero 83', Xiao ao Jiang Hu
01', Tian long ba bu 03', Shen Diao Ying Xiong Zhuang 02', Crouching tiger hidden dragon (series
version), Pawnshop No.8 (reality sitcom), etc. Also, wuxia, but love the philosophy inputed in the
storylines. Many old terms used, but I reused some of them analogies translating into modern used
Chinese conversations.



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L-F-J -

I've recently watched the TV show "Sound of Colors". 地下铁 in Chinese. I thought it was a
great story. By the end it should make you cry even if you're a dude. If not then I'm just a
girlie man. But really, it was a good show and good practice as always. That's what I started
watching it for- listening practice. It turned out pretty good. It's about a blind girl with a
radio show and her new artist boyfriend and their story.

bomaci- How the heck do you improve your vocabulary?? I realize that's the biggest problem there
is in Mandarin. Especially since there aren't too many different sounds to learn. You just have to
learn the vocabulary compounds. Anyway, what do you find is the best way to increase vocabulary? I
mean, watching movies is great and you can look some stuff up if you miss it. But you can't always
do that. There must be a good study technique to nail down some good vocab. Your views are
appreciated!










mind_wander -

Actually, the most recent a chinese tv series make a cry was "Tian Long Ba Bu 03'.", I think alot
of guys do agree on this scene when the hero realized that his act of revenge, in the end caused
the hero to killed his lover Ah zhu. Ah Zhu's sacrifice was really big, it sux when the story kill
of a good character, it sure make you cry and pissed at the same time.










bomaci -



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bomaci- How the heck do you improve your vocabulary?? I realize that's the biggest problem there
is in Mandarin. Especially since there aren't too many different sounds to learn. You just have to
learn the vocabulary compounds. Anyway, what do you find is the best way to increase vocabulary? I
mean, watching movies is great and you can look some stuff up if you miss it. But you can't always
do that. There must be a good study technique to nail down some good vocab. Your views are
appreciated!

My basic technique is to use language learning material where I have access to both audio and
e-text, be it audio books, movies with scripts or (for the time being) TV series with scripts. I
will then take the audio and divide into segements of about 4 minutes each. Every day I study one
of these segments by listening to the audio over and over and reading the corresponding text with
the software dictionary Wenlin. In my view working with small segements is more efficient than
watching an entire movie.










L-F-J -

I agree. If I watch a whole movie I'll learn some new things but even if I watch it for listening
practice, I end up getting into the movie anyway. So I guess it's better to go back after watching
it once through and work with the vocab and sentence structure as you suggested. Actually, I've
heard of others using the method but I've never done it myself. I shall start that! Thanks for
your advice.










L-F-J -

By the way, do you have links to what you study with online? I've found TV shows online before as
well as some movies and they have the subtitles but it takes way too long to try and look up the
words I don't know. Transcripts would be good, something easily copied on the computer. If you
have any links you can share, post them on! Thanks.










bomaci -

This site: www.3xia.com, is a goldmine for the TV series 我爱我家. It has all the scripts for
the entire series and you can listen to the audio online.










necroflux -

I have to disagree with self-taught-mba, whose very name implies a certain degree of pomposity
(had to say it, I think that every time I read it lol), in saying that bomaci's speech for 2 years
of study is pretty damn impressive. I've been learning for about the same amount of time and his
grammar knowledge and sheer ability to speak the language is far above mine, especially
considering his never having lived in China. Then again neither have I, but I do live with a
Chinese speaker. I also would like to know if you had any language partners bomaci? How often did
you speak with your Chinese coworker? If you have developed that speaking skill solely from self
study I would be blown away.










self-taught-mba -



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when taking language classes in college, I wasn't usually too concerned about how well I learned
the language as long as I got a good grade.

You allude to a situation in which there is not a strong correlation between the language learned
and what is taught and tested. This is my problem with the system, and why I think self-study do
best. Although you are definitely right is very difficult put together a self-study program, and
it is not for everyone.










self-taught-mba -



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Yeah I know I missed some tones. But I'm confident that if I 继续努力 I should get them
straightened out. 大山 is safe for the time being .

Don't worry I wasn't knocking you you aren't bad at all-I just want to encourage people that they
can do the same thing. And thank you so much for sharing those resources.

Re: Pimsleur, I'll try to be brief because I have a half written post/article about it. Many
people think Pimsleur is very good. I tend to agree. However I completely agree with your
sentiments regarding vocabulary. However, I believe that vocabulary can be learned on one's own
outside of the classroom/material and (in most cases). What Pimsleur is good at is helping people
to get the word order and some of the grammatical things down in a way that they don't have to
think about them. Secondly, it's very scientifically based. Graduated recall interval is a very
effective method to get things into long-term memory quickly (I tried to build it into my own
program). This way Pimsleur helps people build good habits early. Many people these Pimsleur with
good success I think this is why. However I have many small problems that I will outline in the
future in another post (I hope).



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Furthermore some people claim that having done Pimsleur you will have perfect pronounciation.
Obviously this is not so. I can repeat all the Pimsleur sentences perfectly, but I am still not
tone perfect in conversation.

Many people like to differentiate between pronunciation and tones. I am one of them. your
pronunciation is fairly good, and I think Pimsleur does a good job reinforcing that at the
beginning before people pick up bad habits.



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I am absolutely sure there are people who have come a lot further than me in the same amount time.
I work full time so can only study chinese in my spare time.

Like I said, I'm not knocking your progress. In fact I like your last sentence:



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I'm sure someone who studies fulltime and used efficient methods would come alot further than I
have in the same amount of time.

I hope people take time to think about this. And realize that each and everyone of us should be
able to do the same thing. Please continue to give some of your advice and resources about how you
went about doing it; you are a success story that should be shared.












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