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mandarinstudent -

I posted this question on Dave's ESL Cafe, but only received one straight answer...

Right now I am in the process of applying to MBA programs. I'm writing the application essays and
now I am in the "paranoid stage". I have decent academic stats (Click here for more detail), but
now I am a bit worried about my work experience. Before, I was confident that my experience as an
English teacher in China would be an asset, as it is "unique". However, after cruising countless
MBA forums, reading up on admission gurus' advice, and researching my target schools, I have yet
to find ONE SINGLE ESL teacher that has successfully gained admission to a top 25 US MBA program.
I can't even find a story where an ESL teacher applied to such a program! Of course, this isn't
going to change where I apply, but I would like to know if anyone has successfully taken this path
before me. Like all MBA applicants at one point or another in the application process, I'm just
feeling a bit paranoid now.

Here is my question: Do any of you know of any ESL teachers that got into a top 25 program? Are
there ANY other people like me, or am I the only ESL teacher aiming for a decent school? I know
that knowing X teacher got into Y program doesn't guarantee me anything, but it would be nice to
have a frame of reference. People in other professions like managers, engineers, consultants,
etc., all can see how their fellow colleagues fare in the MBA process, but there is no such
information for ESL teachers. Any input would be greatly appreciated.



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novemberfog -

No doubt you have a very unique experience. But that doesn't give you a leg up on any of the other
applicants. There are thousands of thousands of ESL teachers in many countries all over the world.
You chose to spend your time in China, while another applicant may have chose to spend her time
building a framework for her finance career. There are probably people who worked in China or
other countries for investment firms or international firms trying to get into a top 25 MBA. So it
will no doubt be competitive, just as it is for getting into top law schools.

What you need do to do is demonstrate your business/entreprenuial side in your statement in the
application. I don't know how long you have been teaching, but generally most work at least three
years before they stop working to go for an MBA. Executive MBAs usually require more work
experience, normally 5-10 years with some management level experience. So think about your work
experience as an ESL teacher and try to show how it demonstrates your business apptitude. What
have you done at your ESL school(s) that demonstrates your ability to succeed in a business work
place? Have you worked on any marketing and advertising campaigns with your school? Have you
performed any management functions, such as supervising entry-level teachers and managing their
time schedule? Think of anything you can use to sell yourself to the school.










mandarinstudent -

Novemberfog, thanks for the advice. I already know what I have to do, as I've spent COUNTLESS
hours researching the MBA admissions process and prospective schools. My question is whether or
not any ESL teachers before me have successfully made it into a good MBA program, not what I need
to do to get in. I already have my own game plan, I'm just curious as to how other ESL teachers
have done. I know that I can't be the first one to try to go from ESL teacher to top 25 MBA
program. Anyway...I hope I'm not...










simonlaing -

Hi MandarinStudent,

I didn't get into a US Business program, but I did go to UK one. Leeds University has a Joint
program MA Busines and Chinese. (It was funded partly by the UK government)
There were 4 other ex English Teachers in the program. Most of whom also had decent Chinese skills
and experiences.

However I can't recommend the program that much as it wasn't as rigorus as US program. (Well my BU
undergraduate program anyway). I have Dual citizenship and thought it would help reduce the
tuition but it still ended up costing as much as a good state school in the US. Even though it was
half the cost of London Uni and living costs.

I found the confidence gained from teaching and presentation skills where helpful in the degree
(there was lots of presentations and public speaking ).Plus understanding Chinese working style
and part time jobs as a bar manager, AC company PR speaker, etc. Gave me input into the classes.

The good thing was that I kept most of my Chinese and even built on my vocab some. The bad part
was that program left me a bit wanting.

I think it is possible, Good luck,
Simon

P.S. I think HK Univeristy has an MBA program that is decent if you get shut down from the other
programs.










mandarinstudent -

Simonlaing, thanks for the response. Its good to know that there are other ESL teachers trying the
same thing. Any stories from US MBA programs?










mandarinstudent -

Any more examples?










mandarinstudent -

Well, I've been accepted by the University of Minnesota' s full time MBA program. I just missed
the top 25 (the program is ranked #27 http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsa...rad/mba/search).
Actually, the program was ranked #25 until today, when the new rankings came out. If I made this
post yesterday, I could claim top 25...

So, this shows that it is possible for an ESL teacher to get into a good MBA program. If any other
teachers out there want to make a career change and would like my take on the application process,
feel free to PM me. Obviously, I can't tell you how to get into Harvard, but maybe I can give some
advice on how to get into the top 25.










simonlaing -

Hey Mandarin Student,

Thanks for the update. Congrats on getting into the program.

I have a question for you on finances. Are you taking out a loan to pay for tuition or will you
pay out of pocket?
If you do have a loan do you think that will affect if you will be able to come straight back to
the PR of C, or will look for a job in the US to pay for the loan? Or you were planning to work in
the US either way?

Thanks, Congratulations again.
Simon










mandarinstudent -



Quote:

Hey Mandarin Student,

Thanks for the update. Congrats on getting into the program.

I have a question for you on finances. Are you taking out a loan to pay for tuition or will you
pay out of pocket?
If you do have a loan do you think that will affect if you will be able to come straight back to
the PR of C, or will look for a job in the US to pay for the loan? Or you were planning to work in
the US either way?

Thanks, Congratulations again.
Simon

First, thanks for the congrats!

Of course I will be taking out a loan. I definitely don't have a spare $100K lying around. I came
to China right after graduating. Let's just say that you can't get rich teaching English in
China...

Ideally, after graduating I would like to work for a company that has offices in China, then get
transfered to China with the nice expat package that comes with it. I figure if I jump on a plane
to China right after graduation I will be in the same position I was when I first came to
China--freshly graduated with no experience. I learned from my mistake the first time.

I want to work in the Minneapolis area for a while and gain experience before I think about coming
back to China. First of all, the University of Minnesota has great connections in the Minneapolis
area, which recently was voted the number 1 city in the US for business
(http://www.marketwatch.com/news/stor...FF9194DC6C0%7D). Secondly, my whole extended family lives
in the Minneapolis area. Granted, the University of Minnesota is no Harvard, but it has a 93%
placement rate within 3 months of graduation and an average salary of around $100K after bonuses.
The only catch is, because the University of Minnesota is a reigonal school (vs. a "national
school" like Stanford, etc.), it places most of its graduates in the Minneapolis area. Also, if
you want to work in something like Investment Banking or want to be a consultant at one of the
"Top 3", then you will probably be struggling if you attend U of M. Since I want to live in
Minneapolis while I gain experience before heading back to China and I don't want to be an
Investment Banker, the U of M seems like a good deal to me. Given that my salary in China is so
low, even if I end up earning a salary below the average after graduating, my return on investment
is still extremely high.

So, there you have it...that's my plan for the next 5 years or so. Hope this helps any other
ESLers thinking of going for an MBA.










simonlaing -

Looks like a good plan.

In hindsight your looks better than my UK masters . 3 months for placement sounds really good,
plus with the US MBA you are garraunteed a good base salary.

Like most places in the US there are trade links to China with the Midwest and Minnesota. I used
to know some people importing Ginseng from Wisconsin and Minnesota. Some others were in the
machine tool trade with some midwest firms. I'm sure you will find you way back to China
eventually.

Good luck.

Simon












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