Wednesday, December 24, 2008

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Forum: Adsotrans.com Forum 3rd March 2008, 07:47 AM

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Adso instruction(s)

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Re: Adso instruction(s)

Only immediate suggestion I'd have is editing the Makefile and removing all of the extraneous g++
flags. ie. the software shouldn't be outputting "--static" and remove "mtune" and the other...



Forum: Adsotrans.com Forum 26th February 2008, 12:54 PM

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Adso instruction(s)

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Posted By trevelyan


Re: Adso instruction(s)

Should work on anything that supports the GNU C++ compiler. Issue with mobile devices is probably
more with the interface: inputing content and displaying the output.



Forum: Adsotrans.com Forum 25th February 2008, 02:24 PM

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Adso instruction(s)

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Posted By trevelyan


Re: Adso instruction(s)

@character -- version 5.023 is up and should solve your issues. Two new command lines:

--trad-vocab == traditional/pinyin vocabulary export option
--tonalize --> converts numeric pinyin to UTF8 tone...



Forum: Adsotrans.com Forum 25th February 2008, 01:59 PM

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Adso instruction(s)

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Posted By trevelyan


Re: Adso instruction(s)

The strange thing is that the same output works for me. This suggests that it isn't an issue with
the "--code" flag itself, although there might be library issues.

I know that I've been using Ubuntu...



Forum: Adsotrans.com Forum 23rd February 2008, 03:44 PM

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Adso instruction(s)

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Posted By trevelyan


Re: Adso instruction(s)

Also, document redirection requires write permissions on the directory. Can you confirm that you
have those write permissions and/or try the command using "sudo" (root will definitely have
write...



Forum: Adsotrans.com Forum 23rd February 2008, 03:30 PM

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Adso instruction(s)

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Posted By trevelyan


Re: Adso instruction(s)

Strange. I've never run into this problem or heard of anyone else having it.... Can you let me
know what OS you're running the program, along with (ideally) your version of g++.

One suggestion would...



Forum: Adsotrans.com Forum 22nd February 2008, 08:40 AM

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Adso instruction(s)

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Posted By trevelyan


Re: Adso instruction(s)

@character,

The command copied above works for me. The only difference is that "input file" needs to be
renamed to the name of your input file. Also, it takes a few minutes to process because the...



Forum: Adsotrans.com Forum 17th February 2008, 06:34 PM

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Adso instruction(s)

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Posted By trevelyan


Re: Adso instruction(s)

Still haven't fixed the issue with 他, but the others are fixed in the software now. Details:

http://www. /showthread.php?p=141265#post141265

We don't have many vocal users who are...



Forum: Adsotrans.com Forum 15th February 2008, 05:02 PM

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Adso instruction(s)

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Posted By trevelyan


Re: Adso instruction(s)

I'll take a look with the text you forwarded later this weekend. Thx.

Suggestions for better translations than legendary would be welcome.



Forum: Adsotrans.com Forum 15th February 2008, 09:12 AM

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Adso instruction(s)

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Posted By trevelyan


Re: Adso instruction(s)

> Is there a way to get traditional and pinyin output instead of simplified and traditional?
> How do the "-cn -y -t" options work? Adding them all didn't seem to change anything
> in the...



Forum: Adsotrans.com Forum 15th February 2008, 02:01 AM

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Adso instruction(s)

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Posted By trevelyan


Re: Adso instruction(s)

You can specify output encoding and script as well:

-oe utf8 -os simplified

or whatever. For help with the command line instructions, just type:

./adso --help



Forum: Adsotrans.com Forum 15th February 2008, 01:58 AM

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Adso instruction(s)

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Posted By trevelyan


Re: Adso instruction(s)

Traditional support is worse (we don't have many contributors from Taiwan), but I'd guess the
problem if you're annotating really short passages is that the system doesn't have enough data to
guess...



Forum: Adsotrans.com Forum 14th February 2008, 05:46 PM

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Adso instruction(s)

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Posted By trevelyan


Re: Adso instruction(s)

To install the internal version:

(1) go to the source directory

(2) type "./prepare_internal"

(3) type "make"

If you're doing this and getting an error message please send me details of what...



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Tuesday, December 23, 2008

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Forum: Speaking and Listening 2nd February 2005, 10:03 PM

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Why Do You Learn Chinese?(ple help me with the survey)

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1. Because it's the most commonly spoken language...

1. Because it's the most commonly spoken language on Earth
2. Almost 30, have lived in several countries since age 1, currently working in and around China.
Good luck with the survey!



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Monday, December 22, 2008

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Forum: Speaking and Listening 27th July 2006, 05:48 PM

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Poll: Why learning spoken Chinese as a foreigner is easy and hard

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Posted By andrewfz


I have lived in Asia for 20 years now. I stayed...

I have lived in Asia for 20 years now. I stayed in China 4 yrs and studied the language after work
in the evenings. I can say that Chinese (manadarin) is very hard to take the first step...getting
an...



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Sunday, December 21, 2008

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Forum: Speaking and Listening 2nd June 2005, 07:37 AM

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dashan 大山, Igor(from taiwan) and any others who have disgustingly good chinese

Views: 8,318

Posted By venture160


personally I don't take learning Chinese as a...

personally I don't take learning Chinese as a hobby, but as a serious study to which i devote
hours to, and I will be studying for twelve months straight in China coming this June on top of
a...



Forum: Speaking and Listening 2nd June 2005, 03:39 AM

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dashan 大山, Igor(from taiwan) and any others who have disgustingly good chinese

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Posted By venture160


I do agree that down the road, maybe 5-10 years...

I do agree that down the road, maybe 5-10 years we could see a very lage increase of Chinese
learners in the western countries, especially the United States. Public schools are just beginning
to...



Forum: Speaking and Listening 28th May 2005, 07:58 AM

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dashan 大山, Igor(from taiwan) and any others who have disgustingly good chinese

Views: 8,318

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yea, he is a news anchor though, so he speaks...

yea, he is a news anchor though, so he speaks alot faster, really really impressive. I will try
and dig up a link. Yea there are alot of no names running around that have Chinese that is quite...



Forum: Speaking and Listening 27th May 2005, 12:06 PM

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dashan 大山, Igor(from taiwan) and any others who have disgustingly good chinese

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Posted By venture160


dashan 大山, Igor(from taiwan) and any others who have disgustingly good chinese

Just wondering if you have ever come across anyone who has a disgustingly awesome mandarin
proficiency. I know there is Dashan etc, but what about all those foreigners who come to study
their asses...



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Saturday, December 20, 2008

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Forum: Speaking and Listening 30th March 2004, 04:24 AM

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how is wu pronounced?

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Posted By gao_bo_han


Quest, Exactly. They are redundant and therefore...

Quest,

Exactly. They are redundant and therefore not pronounced.

I'm sorry but I still don't agree that "wu" in mandarin sounds like "woo" in English. The "w" part
of "wu" is very different from...



Forum: Speaking and Listening 29th March 2004, 06:23 AM

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how is wu pronounced?

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I disagree. I have always thought the emphasis is...

I disagree. I have always thought the emphasis is on the "oo" part of the word as opposed to the
"w", and sounds in common speech much more like "ooo" than "woo".



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Friday, December 19, 2008

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Forum: Speaking and Listening 1st July 2004, 09:51 AM

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Married to a Chinese in the U.S.?

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I think the reason for the relatively few number...

I think the reason for the relatively few number of Chinese male / white female marriages is
really quite simple: Chinese mother-in-laws.

I'm only half joking...



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Thursday, December 18, 2008

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Forum: Speaking and Listening 14th February 2006, 06:11 PM

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most embarrassing moment while learning Chinese

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I wanted to ask my friends for some tap water -...

I wanted to ask my friends for some tap water - zilaishui. But it came out zixingshui, which means
bicycle water (if it means anything at all).

More surreal than embarrassing...



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Wednesday, December 17, 2008

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Why do caucasians love English?

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Re: Why do caucasians love English?

I think the spirit of the original post was something along the lines of “I have come to this
school to learn Chinese. You have come here to learn Chinese. Why don’t you want to speak
Chinese?” ...



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Why do caucasians love English?

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Re: Why do caucasians love English?

I think the biggest issue here is the issue of privacy. When we are talking to someone else, not
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Tuesday, December 16, 2008

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Forum: Speaking and Listening 22nd April 2004, 11:56 AM

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Practicing Chinese with Chinese is impossible!!!

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Perhaps I'm slow as to why you yelled at the guy?...

Perhaps I'm slow as to why you yelled at the guy?

Even though the guy knows you (from past visits?), the rarity of someone speaking chinese as
stated in this thread, is about the same as the rarity...



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Practicing Chinese with Chinese is impossible!!!

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Where is this? Specific city please. No offense...

Where is this? Specific city please.
No offense but wasn't the yelling a bit crude? Or atleast the way you summarized it..

If you look the least bit "un-asian", we will assume you know english, most...



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Monday, December 15, 2008

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Audio file: please criticise my pronunciation

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I have to say I don't agree with that. At least I...

I have to say I don't agree with that. At least I use there words with other chinese especially
those I'm not very familiar with.



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Sunday, December 14, 2008

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New Antiwave Podcast 人民大会谈4 - “东南西北”宋以朗 (下)

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Re: New Antiwave Podcast 人民大会谈4 - “东南西北”宋以朗 (上)

宋以朗,曾任美国FBI联邦调查局法庭传译,美国最大的数据公司审计顾问。2
003年4月创办东南西北网站,每天从中文媒体中选择新闻进行翻译。这是一个
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Saturday, December 13, 2008

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Forum: Speaking and Listening 10th February 2006, 09:56 AM

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which chinese dialect(s) do you like most?

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I thought Singapore doesn't allow dialects to be...

I thought Singapore doesn't allow dialects to be use in the media?



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which chinese dialect(s) do you like most?

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Actually Cantonese also has many foul words. All...

Actually Cantonese also has many foul words. All Chinese dialect/languages has the share of foul
language.



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which chinese dialect(s) do you like most?

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Actually,there are many HK entertainers who are...

Actually,there are many HK entertainers who are of Shanghaiese descent.



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Thursday, December 11, 2008

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DrWatson -

This is a passage taken from a text I am studying from. I had a few questions about it and was
hoping I might get some feedback.

1) 一聽可著了急 -- does this mean anxiously listening?
2) What does 他就到《她》那裡去 mean? I really cannot figure out the meaning.
3) 說甚麼也不肯去 -- Does this mean "say something also about not agreeing to go"?
4) In the final clause, what does 連 do/mean in this sentence?



Quote:

爺爺一聽可著了急,上星期六就約好了,星期一把聰聰送進幼兒園,他就到《她�
��那裡去.誰知道今天聰聰特別不聽話,說甚麼也不肯去.他不禁嘆息起來;想當�
��,自己能指揮一個團,現在卻連一個五歲孫子都指揮不了.

Edit: thanks for catching the typo, studentyoung



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muyongshi -

2) It is a part of what is before it... 一。。。就。。。。 so as soon as he dropped of
the kid at the kindergarten he then went to wherever she was at.
3) No matter what was said he wasn't willing to go 肯=愿意 说什么也不 no matter what was
said, implying persuasion
4) 连 means even










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Quote:

2) It is a part of what is before it... 一。。。就。。。。 so as soon as he dropped of
the kid at the kindergarten he then went to wherever she was at.

The 一 you're referring to here is part of 星期一。

3) 什么也不 and 什么都不 are fixed phrases, they mean "nothing at all", or "not anything",
as in 我什么都没看懂 - I didn't understand anything.










muyongshi -

Ha...I read to 一‘s there...in that cause the 就 just links the two clauses and means after
doing x then I did x. so 就 is just then, shows a progression.










studentyoung -



Quote:

1) 一聽課著了急 -- does this mean anxiously listening?

Here is a typo. It is not “課”, but “可”. The original text should be:
爺爺一聽可著急了(On hearing this, Grandfather became so worried).



Quote:

3) 說甚麼也不肯去 -- Does this mean "say something also about not agreeing to go"?

“說什麼也不…… “ means “someone are so reluctant to do something no matter how hard
you try to persuade him/her”.



Quote:

4) In the final clause, what does 連 do/mean in this sentence?



Quote:

他不禁嘆息起來;想當年,自己能指揮一個團,現在卻連一個五歲孫子都指揮不�
��.

连here means “even”. He couldn’t help sighing in his heart, “I could control a whole
regiment, but now I can’t even control my five year old grandson.”

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Carolyn -

1.一聽課著了急.
Is tins setence "一聽可著了急"?
It means when grandpa heard the news he feel anxious at onece.as same as 一····就····
2.他就到《她》那裡去。"《xx》",xx is a book's name.But 她 is a person,so you can't
use "《》"(書名號)
" It is a part of what is before it... 一。。。就。。。。 so as soon as he dropped of the
kid at the kindergarten he then went to wherever she was at."right answer.

3) 說甚麼也不肯去:in this setence,甚麼也不means not at all.
說甚麼也不肯去:whatever grandpa say 聰聰 don't agree to go to 幼兒園 at all.

4) In the final clause, what does 連 do/mean in this sentence?
連:indicate emphasis
想當年,自己能指揮一個團,現在卻連一個五歲孫子都指揮不了.
in this setence,grandpa think:in the past he can command troop,but now he can't command his
five-year old grandson.
emphasize 一個五歲孫子都指揮不了.

my english is not very well,hope you can understand what i say.










Anfya -

想當年,自己能指揮一個團,現在卻連一個五歲孫子都指揮不了.

Here he is saying that he could conduct a musical group in the past, but now he could not even
command a five-year-old kid.

for an another example,
以前她可以吃下五個漢堡,現在卻連一碗飯都吃不完。
In the past she could eat up five hamburgers, (but) now she could not even finish one bowl of rice.

"連" is often used to compare a big difference between the past and the present situation.










DrWatson -

Carolyn, thank you for the remarks. What should I use for quoting 她? Should I use "她"?










DrWatson -

So I have some more questions based on the responses above. I can't seem to wrap my head around
some of the grammar.

1) Is it true that 一 corresponding with the 就 is the one attached 星期一 and not 一聽? I
thought that 星期一 was Monday? If it is true, then what does 一聽 mean?

2) I am afraid I still don't get this part: 他就到"她"那裡去. "then went to wherever she
was at." 他 in this case is not the Grandfather, but the boy? Is that why the 把 structure was
used? Does it focus the attention to the boy?

Thanks for your help so far! It is really helping me understand the text better.










muyongshi -

Okay the one 一 is a part of 星期一 so it is not part of an 一。。。就。。。structure.
However the 一聽 is part of that type of structure (就可以省略) so that one means "as soon
as he heard it....."

For the 把字句 the 他 is the grandfather, notice the subject isn't changing.
[He/Grandpa]把the kid 送到幼儿园 and then he [still grandfather] went wherever he went to.
The 把 doesn't add emphisis to the child, it's just the best way to say the sentence. It keeps
the grandpa as the subject all the way through and all the actions, 送 and 去 belong to him.












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Wednesday, December 10, 2008

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heifeng -

So basically I just wanted to start a thread about 'Current Beijing Events' that we can add to
just to keep others informed about some of the more interesting events that may be going on, but
we may not be aware of...but overall, they should be fun to go to and potentially help us with our
studying of Chinese in some way. Even purely fun (preferably free) activity listings would be nice

So one (that I meant to add earlier) is that the 外文句 often holds free seminars (well, once a
month)~ here is the most recent from last week end one here. But in the future, you can just check
out their website here for events, the lecture is usually listed as 大家讲堂

Also, there are always a ton of (admission free) expos going on, so if you hear of any interesting
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heifeng -

Ok, so my post is a bit late (I even saw it on the news last night but apparently today was the
last day), but this was going on this week, which looked interesting. I guess if other events are
going on they could potentially be listed here~in advance..


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imron -

Listed in advance does usually help










heifeng -

yes, I agree. Unfortunately I saw that one on the news at night and by the time I looked it up the
next day it was over..grr...

anyway, saw this one in the paper yesterday,in addition to it being posted online~ plenty of
advanced notice:

(I really liked 王国振老师's lecture before)










imron -

Got up this morning to check when these were on, and they were already started Maybe next time.
Anyone else interested in going to the one tomorrow? I just gave them a call then and they still
have places, so I might go and have a look.










zhameng -

Thanks Heifeng for starting this thread off about event related to studying Chinese... I was
really interested to see it and am now glad to have something to contribute.
Chinese Culture Club in Beijing are advertising a presentation on Chinese Deities for this
Wednesday (Dec 5). They say it will be in Chinese with English interpretation.
http://www.chinesecultureclub.org/ev...p?eventid=1589
I guess the language used for talking about Chinese Deities is going to be pretty technical, but
it should be interesting.










imron -



Quote:

anyway, saw this one in the paper yesterday,in addition to it being posted online

Well, I ended up going to this, it was quite an interesting lecture, however the lecturer lost
some credibility when he mentioned that unlike English, Chinese didn't have grammar










imron -



Quote:

I was really interested to see it and am now glad to have something to contribute.

Haha, well, I think Heifeng's emphasis was not just on events, but also to *free* events

P.S. First posts by new users containing links to commercial websites/activities are usually
deleted. I'm letting this one through because some people might be interested.










heifeng -

Here is an inexpensive event (last day is the 25th though!!):

“好运北京”轮椅篮球邀请赛今日开战 门票最低10元

Also this month at the 外文局 there is a free lecture on Japanese-Chinese translation










gougou -

There's a lecture on cultural differences between Chinese and Japanese tonight. I was planning to
go, but will probably have to pass as I just got assigned a new project.












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Tuesday, December 9, 2008

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hi..Anyone's heading for BNU next feb? I'll be there for a year program next feb. I don't really
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extrapages -

i know ill still be here in february.
feel free to contact me when you get here. and until then, you can ask any specific questions you
have on the forum and youll probably get some quick and thorough answers.
i was really lucky to have met "jamoldo" when i FIRST got here. he helped me buy my cell phone and
get settled in without feeling bewildered and hopelessly confused. i probably would have cried
myself to sleep for a week if he and his friend werent so freaking nice to me.
itd be pretty awesome to be able to help someone new and keep the love flowing, na'mean?










sannomiya -

well, i just sent out my application form so i might be going there in feb. it was either bnu,
blcu, or tsinghua for me. chose bnu since a lot of people agree the quality of teaching is better
than the others. hopefully, i'll see you all there.










adrianlondon -

http://www.bnulxsh.com/flash/index.htm#

I think someone at BNU has too much time on their hands.

Oh, if you want the English language, click on the cheese ...










sannomiya -

it is official. just got my acceptance package in the mail. i am attending bnu.










gaikokujin -

Hi!

Does this University do chinese semesters for foreigners who would like to study mandarin?

Thanks a lot!










adrianlondon -

Do you mean ... do they teach Mandarin to foreigners? If so then yes, that's what we're all
talking about here.










Jamoldo -

Following extrapages' post, if anyone has any questions let me know, on this board or via PM and I
can try and help you, though I will be leaving BNU in mid January...










gaikokujin -

HI Jamoldo,

Thanks.

- what the average age /nationalities trends in the classes?
- how many hours per week? how many class levels are there?
- if you start the courses with more or less level 3 HSK, what can you expect after 6months
studying "normally"? after a year?
- can I take 6 months then swith to something more business oriented?

Cheers,
Gaikokujin










Jamoldo -

1. Average age, I'd estimate low 20s, but all ranges. From 17 years old up to 40, and maybe above.
That being said, most are undergraduate students, either from other countries, or foreign students
studying to get their B.A. from Beishida. With regards to nationalities, the majority of foreign
students are Korean, followed by Japanese. As you go higher in level the more Korean and Japanese
students there are (especially Korean). In the lower levels you also have a lot of Indonesians
(that's been my observation). Then there's a scattering of Europeans, Americans, Malaysians,
Africans etc.

2. There are 15 to 17 class hours a week (depending on if you go to the extra/optional tutoring
class that's offered). Class levels range from first year to fourth year. 100 (ni hao), 101, 102,
201, 202, 301, 302, 401, 402.

3. One should progress "3" levels on the HSK per year ON AVERAGE. Depends on how much Chinese you
speak and how hard you study for the HSK. After all the HSK is a test that one has to prepare for.
I have met people who had trouble speaking Chinese but did very well on the HSK, and vice versa.
Different people progress at different levels, so it's hard to say.

4. You can study for 6 months, and then try to sit in and audit a business class. Most professors,
from what I hear would allow it, though I think I'd get lost really quickly, unless I was at a
decent level of Chinese. What you can do is during Newspaper reading class, choose to translate
articles reporting business and economics news, which is what I choose to do. I am sure you can
also find someone to tutor you for cheap, and help you with business and economics stuff.

Hope this helps.

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Monday, December 8, 2008

Learn Mandarin online - Pork recipe from 2200 years ago, How to cook pork in the Rites of Zhou - Page 2 -









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how many guinea pigs can one fit in a Ding?



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Hi trufflepig,

If you threw out your Ding, wouldn't you make a din on your Ding?

Also, you can fit a lot of guinea pigs in a Ding. I bet they taste good.

Anyway, the first part of the recipe is also the way to make the begger's chicken in more modern
Chinese cooking. You just stop at taking the feathers off and seasoning it a little with salt and
pepper. I have never tried it -- I don't want to deal with a chicken with feathers!

Btw, the traditional way of the begger's chichen recipe started with: First, you steal a chicken
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Sunday, December 7, 2008

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muyongshi -

By all means keep asking.

I didn't read much into that scene, I just thought it was him thinking she was truly sick and
needed medicine and of course her sickness was one that he couldn't understand.



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imron -

I'm not sure what the deeper meaning of the scene is, but I think it shows very much the power
that 周朴园 holds over his household, and that the 周 household is still a very traditional
(i.e. feudal) one. This is quite an important thing to note, especially when placed in the context
of what was happening in society at the time, with a strong movement to break away from
traditional/feudal society.



Quote:

I myself am familiar with 雷雨,not 球状闪电

Not to worry, you still have another month to finish reading it










Jenny311 -

I totally agree with Imron, you said it very well. It's difficult for me to express this meaning
in English, but you just helped me out! Thanks!

On the other hand, it also shows that the wife is not a traditional Chinese wife who is surposed
to listen to the husband totally. She was influenced by the outside world, she wanted to revolt
the feudal power, but did not succeed eventually. Again, this also shows "a strong movement to
break away from traditional/feudal society" at the time.

Imron, 你让我刮目相看了!












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Saturday, December 6, 2008

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LiYuanXi -

I forgot to mention that if you use the 'bai' version to read the poem in taiwanese, it wouldn't
rhyme!



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fireball9261 -

Ah! No wonder I thought I had heard it this way. I thought I was crazy. LiYuanXi, thank you for
your information. I wasn't in the proper Taiwanese environment for many years, so I have forgotten
some of those details. However, I didn't know the 文话 and 白话 differences. I just heard
those poems being read in Taiwanese - probably in 文话.










zozzen -

人中之龍 ?
dragon among men.










achiese -

We used to say "正港的查甫人”or "正港的男子漢”.












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Friday, December 5, 2008

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indecision -

hello everyone!
for my graphic design A2 level coursework we have to write an essay on a topic of our choice. my
chosen title is:

"The Impact of the West on Chinese Design"

we have to present the essay creatively and make it all pretty, so my teacher suggested that it
would be good to have the title written in Chinese as well, since the essay is about Chinese
design. can anyone translate this title for me?

i've been trying to teach myself cantonese, but i think it would probably be better to have it in
standard written chinese. it doesn't have to be that exact phrasing - if it's easier it could be
translated from "how the west changed Chinese Design" or something, so long as the basic meaning
is the same. but any help you could give would be much appreciated!



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Consider 西方對中國設計的影響
Or 西方對中國設計的衝擊










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Thursday, December 4, 2008

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m.ellison -

This is a question about George Kennedy the Yale sinologist -- as I remember he invented his own
system for romanizing Chinese. This was supposed to work for multiple topolects. However, I have
forgotten any of the details and the books are out of print. Does anyone have any information
about this?

The texts should be one of the following, but I cannot remember which:
George A Kennedy. Interpretation of the Ch'un-Ch'iu. JAOS v62 #1 (1942) 40-48
George A Kennedy. ZH Guide: An Introduction to Sinology. Far Eastern 1953
George A Kennedy (ed Li). Selected Works of George A Kennedy. Far Eastern 1964



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Lu -

JOAS is a periodical (Journal of Asian Studies), and should be available for copying at any
library with a decent Chinese section. Go to your local (university) library, if they don't have
this issue of this periodical, they can request them for loan from another library. The same goes
for books, actually.

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Wednesday, December 3, 2008

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xianu -

So, here is a silly question, but I am wondering how you have conveyed "you ROCK" in Chinese? I
have a bunch of nice little "standard bookish" things to say (tai hao le, feichang, bang, ..jile,
etc), but I can't think of a term that might convey all that "you ROCK" (the student's upper case)
in Chinese. Just wondering what kinds of things people might be saying for this.



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gato -

你真棒!










xiaojiang216 -

你盖了帽儿!










bhchao -

You can say 你太屌了!

My elementary classmates and I said it all the time at school in Taiwan.










imron -

你真牛!










gato -

Note that "牛" and "屌" might be considered profanity by some. They are also often used to used
to refer to someone with guanxi rather than ability.










skylee -

Except "你真棒!" , I suspect not all the expressions provided are understood by everyone
(well I haven't heard of "你盖了帽儿" ). Am I right?










Han-tiger -

There are different expressions to convey “you rock” in different places of China, so I
couldn’t agree more with skylee that not all the expressions provided are understood by
everyone. But the following ones I think can be commonly understandable to our Chinese.

A. 你真棒!OR 你太棒了!
B. 你真厉害!OR 你太厉害了!
C. 你真牛!OR 你太牛了!

Here “真” and “太” are an adverb, “真” means really, truly, or indeed. While
“太” means very.

Where in Beijing, people like to use “牛逼” or “强” in their daily oral communications
instead of “棒”, “厉害”, and “牛”.

These expressions can be used in a very informal occasion where to praise some one who is giving
his or her friends a surprise as achieving something unusual or significant. But, “牛逼” is
a hot phrase used by Beijing guys. It is impolite or kinds of rude for a guy to say “牛逼”
to a girl.










xiaojiang216 -



Quote:

I suspect not all the expressions provided are understood by everyone (well I haven't heard of
"你盖了帽儿"). Am I right?

Yeah, most of these are 方言

盖了帽儿了 is 北京话
吊 is from 台湾

Would 棒 and 牛 be understood by most Mandarin speakers? Do they have 方言 origin?










muyongshi -

棒 would definitely be understood but I don't know about 牛












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Saturday, November 22, 2008

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nakuru -

Well i really wouldn't like to get a job because I've green eyes and dark blond hair. I rather
have clear pronunciation which was also stated by natives speakers. Now I'm in UK and work with
English people so I hope that it would help to improve my English even more. Anyway thanks for
feedback and i will do my best to get a job. For sure I will not do harm to anyone with my English



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billiardsmike -

A Dutch speaker. Sorry if that seemed to be a generalization. It's meant to be a reference to two
specific individuals.










roddy -

If there are any laws or even regulations about non-native speakers teaching English, I've yet to
hear of them. You might be a less popular choice, and you might have to take a slightly worse job
then a similarly qualified native speaker of English, but you'll be able to find work.










pingpangqiu -

I agree I think it is obviously easier for a native speaker to find English teaching jobs, but if
you " look the part " and have a clear accent you should be fine. Try this site (if you dont' know
it already): http://www.eslcafe.com/jobs/china/

You could also try the kindergardens. I'm in Shanghai and have heard of some people from Israel,
Philippines etc getting part-time + full-time jobs in kindergardens at the same pay rates as
native speakers. Often the language schools such as English First, Web International, Wall Street
want native speakers but the kindergardens seem to be less strict. I would also advise you to wait
until you get here to find a job as you can often negotiate a much better salary. By all means do
your research about different schools, but wait until you are here to visit the schools, meet the
people in charge etc until you sign a contract/agree to work in a school.

I know of a number of teachers in SH who get paid half of what other schools are paying here as
they accepted a job before coming just because they were worried about coming here without a job.
Do your research, but take a bit of a risk come here without a job and then go walk around town
with your resume and give it to every English School, kindergarden, middle school etc that you can
find! it should not be a problem.










Senzhi -

Pingpangqiu,

I agree ... however, there's a small problem here:

Tourist and business visa's can no longer be exchanged into residence permits for foreign teachers
from within the country ... at least not officially.
A colleague of mine had to go back to the UK, as he was here on a tourist visa but had to apply
for a Z-visa from the Chinese embassy in the UK. There was no way they were willing to change the
tourist visa into a residence permit here in Guangdong.

The rules change quickly, especially with the obvious upcoming events.










pingpangqiu -

Yes your right Senzhi,

The Chinese government seem to be clamping down on teachers who are working without the correct
visa and making random changes to the laws regarding visas for English teachers etc. I think there
must be loads of teachers working on business or student visas, but of course it doesn't make it
right.

In Shanghai there are lots of Agencies like www.emoo.net who can renew visas for you for a fee. I
guess they have some good guanxi in the consulates. Did your colleague try using one of these
types of agencies in Guangdong? Could he not just go to Hong Kong and change his visa?










Senzhi -

We've tried every rule that's not in the book ... to no avail. It was simply: back to the UK ...
and at his own expenses.










nakuru -

So what's the solution for such situation? I'm not worried and I will go there to look work on my
own but coming back just to change visa is too expensive. So I can either agree to work on half of
the salary when applying for the work from Europe or to go there get better conditions but be
forced to go back.










pingpangqiu -

You can arrive on a tourist visa and then try to change your visa with an agency such as this one
that exists in Shanghai.
http://www.emoo.net/modules/icontent/index.php?page=5

Or just work on a business visa which I think a number of part-time teachers do (which is not
strictly legal - but much of what Chinese businesses do is not legal!)

You could come here on a student visa and study Chinese at a University for a semester and then
change your visa when you get here.










nakuru -

tkanks for all your ideas. I have done small research on visas issue and i'm a bit confused as
some of you say that L visa can not be converted into X visa within borders of China. To obtain F
visa I need latter of invitation form University and to get such i need to enroll on their classes
and to do this i need to pay all the fees and tuitions for a semester- that's quite expensive
solution. And if i'm not going or could not attend their classes all this would go for nothing. Is
it easier to change F visa into working visa than from tourist one? What is the minimum one have
to do to enroll on Uni to get F visa?












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Friday, November 21, 2008

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reisen -

I am just a normal chinese girl, active and full of sunshine. But sometimes also feel tired and
bored in this huge city. It's just a feeling that my heart lacks and want somebody to accompany
with.
I live in the University area in this city and there're so many foreigners around, i always see
some cute guys walk along the street, but to shy to accost them.
I don't mean that i just want foreigner ones. But maybe because i am just coming back from Germany
and planing to study in US next year. I feel just i am like unacquainted with this city even i was
boren here and grown up here. I had two chinese boyfriends before i went to germany, and had one
friend in germany. I just feel like i really like people from west more.


I don't know what the others think or what the foreigners think about the relationship about
chinese girls and foreign boys. Probably you will think, most chinese girls are just for marrige
or for money or for "mian zi", like a foreign boyfriend makes me cooler than others"

But I am really not like that, i only want somebody to hang out with, talk with,or even soulmate.
I am still too young to think of marrige, and i can study hard to go aboard without depending on
marrige to get a citizenship. And also don't need a someone to help me with my english. don't
think mine is perfect, but enough for communicating.
Actually i also don't know what kind of person i want, but i am just so sure in my heart that i
need a boyfriend and i would like to have one from other lands. Because i think i behave like a
wester girl, and won't stay in this city that long, if we are all just short passing traveller,
and we have the same interests and tastes. This one year must be nice and enjoyable.

I am also totally confused with the foreigners in china. Because some foreign friends told me,
they just want sex with a woman in china but not love. I don't know if it's true. I mean I have no
problem with sleeping, but only for the ones love me and I love. The bars here there are always
many chinese girls.They also want to touch with foreigners, i don't know their thoughts, but i
don't think i'm the same as them and don't want to be thought like them.
It's always a little bit lonly or sometimes maybe when you far away from home.But for foreigners,
Do majority of you only for sex or playing with a chinese girls, or you are also considering a
earnest relationship?
And what do you think of chinese girls?


Is it such hard for me to find such a boyfriend?
Am I too childish and ideal?


PS; I am from Nanjing, if anyone live in this city who is interested in me, please contact me.
Like sending messages in this forum. Or from other citys,we can also talk through skype or msn.
I'd like to know more people and touch different cultures.

Thx, anywhy.



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muyongshi -



Quote:

but to shy to accost them.

I'm sure they all appreciate not be accosted.



Quote:

I am also totally confused with the foreigners in china. Because some foreign friends told me,
they just want sex with a woman in china but not love.

Yeah there are foreigners like this but a very small majority



Quote:

but i am just so sure in my heart that i need a boyfriend

You DON'T need a boyfriend...you need to just relax and enjoy life and learn to be content being
single. There are so many thing that you can't do in a relationship that you can do when single.
Relax and enjoy life! Then in the right time the right guy will come along and you won't have to
try so hard.










yonglin -

If you are interested in meeting foreigners, make friends with them. Don't expect yourself to find
a new boyfriend. If you get to know someone, it might so happen that you fall in love with him,
but the whole "finding a foreign boyfriend"-run seems a bit hasty. Also, you might come off as a
bit desperate, and this would make you seem more unattractive.



Quote:

Because i think i behave like a wester girl, and won't stay in this city that long, if we are all
just short passing traveller, and we have the same interests and tastes. This one year must be
nice and enjoyable.

I'm not entirely sure what this means, but if I interpreted it correctly (something along the
lines of western girls being into the short and sweet), I do feel a bit offended.










gato -

Reisen,

There are many old threads on dating here. Take a look at these two:
http://www. /showthread.php?t=13554
Foreign girls and dating
http://www. /showthread.php?t=19722
Any change for serious relationship with Chinese girls?

I think you are limiting your chances by only considering foreigners for a boyfriend (though you
say you are not). There are only so many foreign boys to go around, and as you said, there is a
lot of competition for them. Sex and love can go together (sex is a form of love depending on your
definition), but yes, most guys are willing to take sex without the love, whether they are foreign
or not.










jonaspony -



Quote:

Yeah there are foreigners like this but a very small majority

A small majority Muyongshi? I think that may be a Freudian slip.

I think your foreign friends are right. In the West, courtship places passion for sex first. Even
sincere men who want a deep relationship will usually follow this way. Then after after a few
weeks they might find they don't really like the girl, or they remember they prefer to be single.
So the couple fights or breaks up. And they go on to look for someone else that is 'just right'.
But I suspect everyone is much the same - they are looking for intimacy, deep friendship. In my
opinion, Westerners are simply less intelligent about it and the way to find it.

As you will be going abroad again soon, you will probably feel unsettled. It will seem meaningless
to make long-term friends. And you seem uninterested in a short-term relationship on Western
terms. While I disagree with Muyongshi about how many foreign men just want sex, that doesn't
really matter because it's up to you to decide. You will meet foreigners of many kinds, but don't
worry about what they want. If you want friendship and fun, then that's the best thing anyone can
want. And if men (foreign or otherwise) don't like it, that's their problem, not yours.

There are men who will want friendship with you. There's guys like Muyongshi and me, but I'd
probably fall in love with you anyway - even if I didn't want to. I think I already have!. Life is
full of such complications. So have courage to do what you think is best, and stop worrying. It
won't be so easy to find exactly what you are looking for, but you can still have fun while you
are looking. Good luck with everything.










coolnicholas -

I don't know how to describe you!! shame










muyongshi -



Quote:

but I'd probably fall in love with you anyway

Are you making an offer to her?



Quote:

I think your foreign friends are right. In the West, courtship places passion for sex first.

With the majority of people I know (including my European friends) it is not this way but hey
maybe I just run in odd circles...










jonaspony -



Quote:

I don't know how to describe you!! shame

What? who?

Reisen... be as idealistic as you want. But just remember few other people are so idealistic.
That's what makes idealism great, heroic and very difficult.










jonaspony -



Quote:

With the majority of people I know (including my European friends) it is not this way but hey
maybe I just run in odd circles.

Hmmm... well that's my experience, and my observation. I have a truckload of Beijing friends that
are out for the sex whether they admit it or not. Those who don't admit it carry on serial
relationships in the Western style: chase, bed, become dissatisfied and leave. I was comparing
this to the more 'traditional' Chinese style of prolonged platonic friendship, in which time I
sort out if I really like someone or am just infatuated. Maybe it's just Beijing.

I wish I ran in your circles, no matter how odd. But I find it hard to believe that the West has
not placed a very high priority on sexual attraction.



Quote:

Are you making an offer to her?

Careful. I think i am also falling in love with you and Gato - well at least with your posts. But
no offer there either, sorry. Cheers to ya both.










YuehanHao -

Reisen,

I could not hope to answer your question, but I will write because I am a Westerner who did marry
a Chinese woman (who had earlier come to my home country). I can understand your preference for a
companion from a particular culture, and came to see an unconscious preference in my own behavior
at that time; although obviously a relationship is ultimately between two individuals -- thus, a
part of the cultural attraction in my case was just statistics, rather than a requirement.

But as was earlier said, I agree you may be ultimately happier to focus on all you have, rather
than what you lack. Maybe sometime in the future, presuming you achieve your objective, you will
look back to now and wish you could recapture the old freedom or some other youthful intangible.
Trying too hard is nearly as ineffective as not trying at all -- not to mention more risky.

Anyway, enough of these maxims -- after all, does anyone really follow advice from an outsider who
can't understand her/him?

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Thursday, November 20, 2008

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Anyone joining Feb 2008 in BLCU?



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misheast -

I'm in the middle of deciding that now. My idea is to study from February through August, which is
when I would start grad school in the USA. I'm having trouble finding what is required of me to
apply and get in, and then, how to make sure I get the right visa. Is there a webpage that goes
over this? I always have trouble finding things on the BCLU website.










franksank -

http://www.blcu.edu.cn/lzb/lx_back/english/index.htm

There's prety much all the info you need. You'll need to send them a letter with the required
documents in order to aply for a visa and a place at the university. It's easy and it takes about
a month for the answer to arrive.
About housing, I've booked a hotel in front of the BLCU and contacted some agencies in order to
have apartments ready to be checked upon my arrival. I think it's the best option.
Anyway, I can give you more info after I get there.










Marisa -

Hi!! I am also planning to join BLCU in February Nice to meet you!










franksank -

Have you send the documents they need ?










franksank -

Read that you had a difficulty in send the T/T.










Marisa -

yeah, I've solved this problem already Thanks for your message. I've contacted some education
agency in Beijing, they will help me to send money. You know we've got rather stupid laws in
Ukraine










franksank -

Please do keep me updated about your progress.I had send my documents a month ago and have not
recieved a reply yet.










peahead -

hey there, i'm planning to join BLCU from feb-aug too...anyone got their accommadation sorted yet?










franksank -

Hi,
I had send my documents a month ago and have not got any reply till now.Send them a mail asking
for thestatus still no reply.Have you got yours?













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