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doumeizhen -

As I've finished up school and need to be closer to work, I am subletting out my wudaokou
apartment until the end of the lease on August 21st. It is right across the South gate of Qinghua
University, right next to the wudaokou (about seven minutes from the chengtie station), and in
between the Language and Culture University and Beida. It is a 6th floor apartment that is both
furnished and has all the ammenities. The room is big, bright, and comes with an attached balcony.

The apartment (3 bdr.) is shared with two other people, a Chinese girl (designer) and an American
student.

The original rent is 1500, but if you're times match my schedule I am willing to negotiate.

Please message me if you are interested.



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wontonsoup -

when someone asks can u speak chinese?

how do i say i can only speak a little bit?

我只能说一点普通话? (doesn't sound right)



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Shadowdh -

我会说一点儿! should just about do it...

and perhaps 我就会说一点儿 for just speak a little... but others with more knowledge and
who are way better at Chinese than I will be able to help...










elina -

I think they all sound right:
我只能说一点普通话
我会说一点儿
我就会说一点儿 (as Shadowdh said, this sentence more emphasizes “just a little”)










Xiao Kui -

I think you can also just reply 一点点
Since you only know a little, why stress yourself with a long sentence? Even native speakers often
answer with short phrases or even just a word or two.

I still often answer this way even though I've studied for quite a while. It's good Chinese
modesty and it's a lot less pressure than telling people you're fluent when you're really just
proficient.










Songyi -

Like what other people posted earlier, you can just say 一点儿 or 一点点, which is really
口语. Saying a whole sentence in response to a question sounds very rigid and unnatural.

From my understanding (I'm not a native speaker) of 会 and 能, 会 is used to signify you have
the ability to do something (through learning; an acquired skill) and 能 is used for the other
uses of can, be able to.

So, to me, 我会说一点儿 makes more sense than 我能说一点儿。The latter one sounds
like you just got hit in the head and the paramedic asks ”Can you speak?“

Two more examples would be:
我会用筷子。
我能坐火车到东城吗？










kjmillig -

Keep it simple:
Yi dian-dian












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HashiriKata -

I was listening to a recording but got stuck at just one syllable (I think ). What is it? Please
fill the gap with the missing bit (You may have to listen to the attached file, I think):

她不是一个可以勤俭节 [ __ ] 的人，太浪费。

Thanks,



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grimacekid -

that is 约.
勤俭节约, if you familiar with this phase, you won't miss it!
cheers!










roddy -

节约？

Edit: Gargh, beaten to it










HashiriKata -

Thank you to you both. Yes, as usual, after seeing the answer I think I should have known .

As for the recording, I don't think the pronunciation of 约 is very precise, would anyone agree
with me?
-------
EDIT: After listening again a few more times, the pronunciation now seems quite clear. So, it's
really my lacking










roddy -

It was only because of the phrase that I was able to guess what it was. If it'd been a random
idiom or something I'd never heard of, I doubt I'd have had a clue.










chenpv -

yue1, absolutely. Though with a slight southern accent, the woman sounds perfectly standard and
clear, to me at least.










HashiriKata -



Quote:

yue1, absolutely.

Vielen Dank!
Yes, absolutely! you're right, as noted in my previous post!










nipponman -

I could hear 约 fine, i didn't hear 的人 very well though. Oh well, back to the grind!










lokki -

But, how should the last bit 太浪费 be interpreted ? According to the dictionaries 浪费 =
waste, squander, extravagant, so that would translate something like "she is too extravagant", or
"she wastes/spends too much (money)", but listening to it I get a feeling it could mean something
like "it is such a waste", "it is such a shame" - is this wrong?










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Quote:


Originally Posted by lokki

so that would translate something like "she is too extravagant", or "she wastes/spends too much
(money)", but listening to it I get a feeling it could mean something like "it is such a waste",
"it is such a shame" - is this wrong?


Your interpretations are all reasonable, because the speaker didn't seem to be strict enough in
the structure of the sentences. I guess, however, that by saying "she's not a frugal, thrifty
person" the speaker must have then intended to mean, as you put it, "she wastes/spends too much
(money)"












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Hey, I need some help for any Chinese speakers out there, I am doing this survey for my class and
I need answers as soon as possible. Just answer the questions as best you can in Chinese. It
doesn’t have to be complex or anything, just write something quick. Thank you ahead of time for
your cooperation!

1。 你见到你天天看的人时平常说什么？
2。那一天又见到那个人，说什么？
3。 你见到很久没见的人时说什么？
4。对你来说，迎接同性的和异性的有什么不同？
5。 男的人和女的人各有什么叫法？你把你所想起来的都写下。
6。 你跟异性的人谈话的时候避免说什么词？
7。 你跟比你年龄大的人谈话的时候避免说什么词？
8。 你跟比你年龄小的人谈话的时候避免说什么词？



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gato -

是你的功课吧？










imron -

哈哈，我也是这么想的。










HashiriKata -

Thank you for sharing, Alibi01!










Koneko -

gato & imron:

不是标题College assignment了吗?
不过这功课也蛮无聊的。

K.










gato -

但这些是调查问题呢，还是要学生自己回答的？更可能是后者吧。










Koneko -

解玲还需系铃人。

K.










Faith Xu -

1。 你见到你天天看的人时平常说什么？
2。那一天又见到那个人，说什么？
3。 你见到很久没见的人时说什么？
4。对你来说，迎接同性的和异性的有什么不同？
5。 男的人和女的人各有什么叫法？你把你所想起来的都写下。
6。 你跟异性的人谈话的时候避免说什么词？
7。 你跟比你年龄大的人谈话的时候避免说什么词？
8。 你跟比你年龄小的人谈话的时候避免说什么词？


hahah...answers
1. 吃过了吗?
2. 都还好吗?
3. 好久不见
4.同性握手, 异型拥抱
5. 称呼男人:先生, 女的称呼小姐, 女士, 太太
6. 避免问年龄
7. 避免直呼姓名
8. 避免说脏话....

suppose to be all right










gougou -



Quote:

4.同性握手, 异型拥抱

This is interesting. I was under the impression that hugging was not very common in China. Maybe
that's why I liked this movie so much!










Koneko -



Quote:


Originally Posted by me!

解玲还需系铃人


Apologies! The correct phrase should read 解铃还需系铃人

K.












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Koneko -

He he... Thank you!

DJ. K.



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HashiriKata -

Bravo! 真是个乖孩子！










Koneko -

捧场做戏罢了，你也当真？！
怎么样我的表面功夫还可以媲美奥斯卡金像奖吗？

DJ. K.










Koneko -



Quote:


Originally Posted by roddy

1) Include, in English, some information about the song - what style, when was it recorded, by
who, where, why do you like it, etc. Don't just say 'here's a nice song', because not everyone
will agree, and you can't expect people to listen to stuff without giving them a reason.
2) Include a link to somewhere it can be downloaded / heard so people can listen to it
3) NOT upload the song itself - uploads are for materials not available elsewhere, and directly
useful for study. If you have something unique which isn't available elsewhere, let me know. Music
downloads use up too much bandwidth.
4) If you are posting the lyrics, a pinyin version or English translation will earn you the
endless gratitude of Chinese learners globally, and substantially increase the chances of anyone
listening to your recommendation.


I.I Indie
I.II 2006
I.III Madonna
I.IV England
I.V Because she's British now.

II See here

III N/A

IV As II

Dedicated by DJ. K.
Victim of autocracy










Koneko -

Ditto but the followings:-

I.I Pop
I.II 2000
I. IV USA

II See here

IV N/A

DJ. K.
Victim of the autocracy










Koneko -

Ditto but

I.II 1998
II See here

DJ. K.
Victim of the autocracy










Koneko -

Ditto but here

DJ. K.
Victim of the autocracy












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Quote:

queen size bed

That's a double. A small double, but a double nonetheless.



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The theme song of a ghost film "陰陽錯". Old film, old song.

幻影
曲︰林敏怡　 詞︰林敏聰　唱︰譚詠麟

怎去開始解釋這段情　寫一首關於你的詩
胡言亂語心思交瘁　仍未帶出合意字
假若可接觸鏡中影像　也許一切可以留得住
紫色的小盒子裏　盡藏着許多未了事

燦爛的晶瑩　代表絲絲愛意
暗裏隨着閃閃光輝　映照得奪目耀眼

幻像似的愛情　始終會消失去
那幻影卻一一再現我心底

怎去開始接觸這段情　彷彿知道不會容易
睡夢裏　追憶裏　在尋覓你的影子
你在我的心靈　泛起絲絲愛意
你卻無法停留讓我　捉摸　留住你

幻像似的愛情　始終會消失去
那幻影卻一一再現我心底

幻像似的愛情　埋藏我心深處
每個冷冰的晚上　那溫暖都在我心

幻像似的愛情　始終會消失去
那幻影卻一一再現我心底

幻像似的愛情　埋藏我心深處
叫我每一個晚上　也可抱擁着你

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flameproof -

While still searching for Podcasts I found this interesting article:

40% Chinese cannot speak putonghua

http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/20...05_299608.html



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snowwhite -

I think most of them know how to speak, but just not good at listening and speaking. The case is
just similar as english for chinese. We learn it for a long times since the education system in
both Hong Kong and China are required. A lack of practise cause the problem of weak language
ability.










Lu -

I wonder how that was defined. "at least 40 per cent of Chinese are still unable to speak standard
Chinese", does that include the people who can speak putonghua but only with a thick accent? 40%
seems like a lot to me.










flameproof -

I think country side people often can't speak it. Even official Mandarin areas often speak "difang
hua". And then you have Dongguang, Yunnan, Xinjiang, Tibet, Qinghai where people speak completely
different languages.

I meat a girl in Zhongshan, originally from Guangxi. Spoke very good cantonese, but extremely poor
Mandarin. After 3 years of English could not say "how are you?" either.

Remember also that in the countryside schooling is kept to a minimum. It all contributes. Not a
big issue though, they still speak something else.










Lu -

Been in Yunnan, they spoke Mandarin there just fine. In fact, isn't Yunnanhua a Mandarin dialect?
Met a Tibetan (not in Yunnan), he spoke Mandarin, although he did speak it pretty much at the same
level as I do. This is not to say that all people in Yunnan and all Tibetans speak it, but still,
40% seems a very high number to me.










kdavid -

It's actually something like 32%

Think of it this way: of the 1.3 billion people in China, 885 million of them "can speak
Mandarin". That number was pulled from a list of "the ten most popular spoken/written languages in
the world", with Mandarin, of course, being #1.

Does anyone know what percentage of China's population is strictly rural, and therefore probably
speaking their native dialect as opposed to Madarin?










Lu -

I think my question is: what is the definition of 'can speak Mandarin' here? Do only native
speakers count, does it count if they speak Sichuan Mandarin but not biaozhun putonghua, would
someone who learned it as a second language count (Tibetans, Xinjiangnese, the girl from
Zhongshan), and if yes how proficient would they have to be? How good and how biaozhun does
someone's Mandarin have to be to be counted as 'can speak Mandarin'?



Quote:

Does anyone know what percentage of China's population is strictly rural, and therefore probably
speaking their native dialect as opposed to Mandarin?

I don't know the percentage, only that it's very high. But what they speak is not always 'opposed
to Mandarin'. Large areas in China speak a Mandarin dialect, and not just in the N-E. And even
people who speak something else don't necessarily speak no Mandarin at all.










Shadowdh -

You know I get the same feeling about english in the UK... lol...










atitarev -

http://www.chincommunications.com.au...php?id_news=11



Quote:

300 Million Chinese Can't Speak Mandarin



Quote:

300 million Chinese can't speak Mandarin, according to a professor in the Chinese Social Sciences
Academy. Some targets have been put forward: by 2010 to popularise Mandarin and by 2050 for
everyone to speak it.

300 mln is less 40%










Lu -



Quote:

300 million Chinese can't speak Mandarin, according to a professor in the Chinese Social Sciences
Academy.

At which I would ask the same questions as I did in my previous post. The different number is
maybe because both surveys had different definitions of 'can speak Mandarin'.












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onebir -

...good deal or 'rip off the waiguoren'?

There are some pics on the site.

And what's the location like?



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ajax -

Seems fairly expensive for that area. I know someone renting a nice 3br/2ba
furnished apartment for less up there. I've only glanced at the agent listings
but got the sense that 1br's are quite cheap (like 600-800RMB). Not sure
how many are furnished, though. And of course you have the advantage being
able to rent for a short period and not paying an agent fee.

If you plan to be down by the universities, that area is about as far away as you
can be -- maybe 8km. I'd guess 30+ minutes by bus, 20-30 minutes by bike, and
20RMB cab ride. I kind of like the area, though. Everything is brand new.










gougou -

How long are you planning to rent? As a rule of thumb, everything that you could rent for a couple
of days should be overpriced. If you intend to stay long-term (>3 months), try to find a flat that
is not to be rented out short-term.










mr.stinky -

i just moved into mei jing xing cheng last month. nice new buildings, with three elevators
in each stack. i've got a 65 m2 apt for 650/month plus about 100/month in fees. a little
expensive, but the kitchen has loads of cabinets and enough room to cook in, plus space
for a refrigerator. quiet enough, with no ktv's nearby. traffic is light, and no major
construction nearby (yet). you can get a small 44 m2 place here for a little as 350 month,
but very basic. i'm unfurnished, but if you'll be here for more than six months, it's cheaper
to buy your own, rather than pay the bumped-up rent for crappy furniture.

there are a number of new or newish high-rises in this area. one complex has
a running track, the apt's are larger and cheaper, but the kitchens are postage stamp
sized, and there is only one elevator per stack (20-30 floors). across the street from
that one, and next to the cigarette factory, you can get a large 2br for 600. furnished
apartments are available, but i never considered them.

perhaps a bit far from the ynu/ynnu area, but there is a bus terminal a block away with
i think 15 lines. two lines will take you to the unis, about a 25 minute ride. other lines
run to downtown, plus you have direct lines to carrefour and metro, the downtown
post office, and the main rail station. if you want to try other unis, we're not too far
from the economics school which offers chinese courses, or bus 79 goes to the
agricultural uni near black dragon pool.

there is a small gym next to the bus station. one room with weight machines and a
couple treadmills, plus a half dozen badminton courts. price should be 5 rmb per
visit with a 30x card.










onebir -

thanks for all the info - sounds like it's a bit far out for my tastes - i'd like to be within
about 15 mins bike ride from the centre of town. out of interest though, which direction is mei
jing xing cheng it from the center - can't find it on my map.

sounds like i should go for plan b - get a hotel/hostel room for a couple of weeks then find a
place to rent. anyone know any decent hotels that'll give me a good rate for a couple of weeks?
(or do i only really need a week to find a place?)










mr.stinky -

hahah, it's not on the map. if you get the standard km map, this area is just north of
the end of civilazation as we know it. brand new area, was just rutabega fields a few
years ago.

most of the unis can set you up in their intl student housing for a week or so - or longer
if you wish. a week is plenty of time to find a place. when you arrive, just check the
bulletin boards at the cafes along wenlinjie.










onebir -

thanks again for the location (& slightly dated species specific agricultural) info ;-)

i'm a free agent - not attached to any uni, so i'll need to go the ho(s)tel route...












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gougou -

Apart from the good-looking part, that is pretty much what is happening. In the countryside, you
are allowed to have a second child if the first is a girl. However, I am dubious of this rule's
merits. For once, it confirms the idea that girls are worth less than boys. Furthermore, about one
in four families will end up with two girls. Why would somebody who is unhappy with one girl be
happy with two?
(Also, this is not going to even out the population. In comparison to a strict one-child policy,
all you are doing is increasing the chances of boys when girls are needed.)

And exceptions for exceptionally wealthy, well, you've got them for every rule in China. But for
the one-child policy, you don't even need to be all that wealthy: even in the countryside, there's
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Woodpecker -

"Also, exceptionally wealthy or good-looking people will be allowed an exception granted only by
the government. Any comments?"

Yes: that is unfair. The only difference between the wealthy and the poor is the amount of money.
The rules should not be bent just because the rich have lots of money. I know this is an
exaggeration, but it's like saying: "all middle-class murderers will be sent to jail. All rich
murderers will remain free men (and women)". If you make a rule, you make it for everybody. No
exceptions.










gougou -

But in this case the argument might be that if you're rich, you can better support your children.
In the poorer parts of the country, there's still a lot of families that have trouble feeding
their children.

However, as it is mostly poor people that want a lot of children, while many rich people are happy
with just one or even completely childless, that rule would do little good.










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Quote:

However, as it is mostly poor people that want a lot of children, while many rich people are happy
with just one or even completely childless, that rule would do little good.

I agree with you completely but I see more and more middle class people not wanting any children
at all. I was quite surprised by this as it seems to me that it is usually the middle class that
have the medium sized families with the poorer having larger ones and the rich being the one or
none. I wish I was a statistician and had time to do all these numbers but alas...










ABCinChina -

I guess that I've always believed that the Chinese race needs to be physically stronger, taller,
and even better looking. Since I was a kid, I've always hated being plagued by stereotypes. After
reading about Nazi Germany and their plans in a superior race, I thought the same principle can be
applied to Chinese people. (The Nazis set up these breeding camps where ideal attributes were
picked out to hopefully improve the race) And this plan can only work in a communist government
such as China. Of course, this idea would never work due to the ethical issues, but a little
daydreaming never hurts anyone.

Regarding the more boys than girls born problem, I think my idea would work fine. You can only
have one child is the first-born is a boy. If it is a girl, then you may try again one more time
at your own risk. 1 out of 2 the family will get a boy on the second try, while 1/4 the family
will get another girl. (Since the chances of landing two heads when flipping a coin are 1/4) This
will indeed increase the female population and thus eliminate the problem. I do not see how this
would not work.










muyongshi -

Let me put it to you mathematically and maybe you will see my point.

Family A has a boy- stops having children
Family B has a girl- tries again and gets a boy

Now we have a ratio of 2:1 still more boys than girls

Now obviously Family B could have another girl so in which case the ratio flips. So if you combine
the possibility and you would still wind up with more boys than girls

Family A has a boy
Family B has a girl and a boy
Family C has a girl and a girl

(and by the way the chances are still 50% not 25% percent because each time it is 50%. You can't
do a summation of the "flipping twice" because each time the probability resets itself in these
type of situations. Now if you said the probability of having two girls then it is only 25% but on
a second try the probability of them having a girl is still 50%)

Now looking at my example above it all comes out equal except for the fact that we are starting
with more boys than girls anyway.

Yes there are a hundred outliers where Family A has a girl and stops and family B has a girl and
boy and so on and so forth.

My point is that it may work but there is no guarantee for it work. Your solution does not
guarantee and increase in female population or in a reduction of gender gap. It is possible that
it only leads to a wider gender gap.










ABCinChina -

Ok I hear your point, but there are very many families that stop having children after one girl.
Your example also would need to have another family (D) listed which would make there slightly be
more girls than boys. If everybody follows the plan (which they might not) it would look like
this...

Family A has a boy
Family B has a girl (and stops)
Family C has a girl, then a boy
Family D has a 2 girls (must stop) <-- at this point there are 4 girls for every 2 boys.

If the original idea does not guarantee a rise in population of girls, then to further increase
the girls in the population, the total offspring number can be set to (say 4) meaning that all
families will be allowed to keep having kids until they have a boy or until the set limit of
offspring. Of course that means that 1 out of 16 families will have 4 girls which might be
unfortunate depending on how the family views the situation. Then it would look like this clearly
making more girls than boys in the long run.

Family A has a boy (must stop)
Family B has a girl (and stops)
Family C has a girl and a boy
Family D has a girl and a girl (then stops)
Family E has 2 girls, then a boy
Family F has 3 girls (only one more try) <-- at this point there are 9 girls for every 3 boys!
and so on...(too bad I'm not good at statistics, but this would clearly make much more girls than
boys)












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You could also collectively create transcripts of the programs.



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roddy -

Ok, that's two. Anyone else?










flameproof -

I doubt I understand too much, but wouldn't mind to listen to it too.

When I am in China I also watch only Mandarin TV and don't get too much.



Quote:

You could also collectively create transcripts of the programs.

That's of course great! I hope some good souls can jump in. I of course would love to do it - but
can't. And those who can don't need a transcript.....










bagz007 -

Very cool on the transcript idea, too. Might give some of us a little more motivation to go back
and re-listen to those bits we only glossed over. Who else wants to try?










roddy -

Don't anybody get excited about the transcripts - it'd be a pretty significant chunk of work and I
for one won't even be trying. If anyone wants to volunteer, go head, but I suggest they actually
try one first.










gato -

Divide and conquer.










flameproof -

ah... is that an exact transcript of this lesson??? :

北京下土了 - http://www.antiwave.net/2006/04/24_-.html

Transcript:

http://www.newstarnet.com/phpcode/we...s_art_id=67868

(I am in the office and can't listen right now)

PS: what is http://www.momoradio.com/ ?? (seen in one of the comments of antiwave - seems to be a
podcast site too, not sure if they have scripts)










roddy -

I don't know if it's an exact transcript, but nobody complained when the same link was posted
earlier in the topic.

Quote:

PS: what is http://www.momoradio.com/ ??

Don't know, never heard of it. If it's relevant to antiwave please explain why while posting the
question.










roddy -

Going to bump this on the off-chance a few more folk will express an interest in regular antiwave
threads . . .










realmayo -

I'd read them for sure but would not probably not understand enough to participate.












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babygodzilla -

just saw this movie. overall pretty good. I think guys will like this movie, a lot of boobage in
everyfrickin scene LOL.

seriously though, I know they're trying to recreate the Tang Dynasty and all, and I know back then
in every culture all the girls wear corsets that push their breasts WAY up, but I had a feeling
they kinda overdid it in this one. everyone's boobs are just about to pop out!! so much that when
a girl comes into the scene you just can't help staring at her boobs. whichever way the girls
move, their boobs would jiggle. even my girlfriend felt the same way (which made me feel a lot
better, I thought I was too perverted for a sec..). Zhang Yimou must've spent either a lot of time
looking for girls with at least C cups, or a lot of money on push-up bras, socks, tissues,
vitamins, implants, and any other kind of breast-enhancer.

aaaaaaanyways, onto the main points.

1) Beautiful. every scene is very beautiful. the colors of the walls, the pillars, the clothes,
the valley, the weapons, the chrystantemum flowers, they're all so shiny and in a perfect mix of
colors. very pleasing to the eyes. Quite a few pretty girls. And did I mention lots of boobage?

2) Chow Yun Fat and Gong Li. i can't remember the last time Yun Fat was in a decent movie. last I
remember is Crouching Tiger, and that's stretching it. both Yun Fat and Gong Li gave very good and
convincing performances. Yun Fat's expressions are always calm, but his words and actions are
always firm and commanding. Gong Li looks especially vicious, like she wants to kill everybody
(she probably does, if you know the story). she scared me.

3) Jay Chou. His first movie isn't it? He wasn't in as many scenes as I expected, and I can't say
anything special about his performance, but I thought he did fine. I'm surprised he didn't pull
out a Moto RAZR or the new E690 during a fight LOL...

4) Dialogue. 古代汉语 is always fun to listen to. the mix of 成语 makes every sentence sound
like a poem, and theyre all so carefully said.

4) Story. The story was easily understood, which might be a weak point. There's just not very many
twists. In fact the ending was abrupt and twistless, and it left me wanting more. This is the
weakest part of the movie, although that's not saying it's a bad ending. it's just a normal
ending, nothing too exciting. it's one of those "oh... it's over?" kind of ending.

5) Lots of boo... wait I already said that...

That's all that comes to mind at this moment. I had fun watching it and that's the most important
thing that a movie should do, entertain you! So go watch it and tell me what you think!



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gougou -

I watched it on opening night, and while zapping through Chinese TV stations has left me with
gudaidianshijuphobia, I enjoyed it a lot. Even thought relationships are complex, the story is
simple. I regretted that the characters were not very developed, instead of focusing on two or
three main actors, the movie devotes almost equal time to half a dozen people. While that
reinforces the complexity of the relations, it lets the overall movie seem a bit shallow. Not that
Zhang Yimou is the actor you should watch for profound movies, though...

What I like about his way of directing is the opulent use of color. In this movie, however, I
thought the colors were overdone (everything inside sparkling in either gold or the rainbow
colors, everything outside grey and dark) and not as beautiful as for instance 十面埋伏.

As for actors, I was impressed by Zhou Jielun‘s (a.k.a. Jay Chou) performance. He was the
perfect fit for his role, seeming naive and innocent. By the way, it's not his first movie, but
the first few apparently drew on his fame rather than on his acting skills. Chow Yun Fat belongs
to the type of charismatic actors that I'd like in any role in any movie, so nothing more needs to
be said there. Gong Li was good, not outstanding, but that also is what I thought about her in
every movie.


One more thing: if the director wasn't Zhang Yimou, one might be tempted to think that the emperor
concealing discord behind a facade of unity and regularity was directed at China's current
government...










babygodzilla -

hmmm i didnt think the colors were overdone. in fact i thought it fit the story just fine. the
beauty of the palace is so blinding that you can hardly see the evils going on in it...

or something like that... im not a poet or a movie buff, i just enjoyed the movie

id have to agree about the movie being a bit shallow. like i said i felt it had hardly any twists.

question for those who have seen the movie. please skip if you havent.
Spoiler Below
you know i never understood 100% why Yun Fat wanted to kill Gong Li. is it because she was doing
his son behind his back? or is Yun Fat just a greedy mofo?










gougou -

I didn't get that part either! I asked the girl who came with me (who is studying something about
movies, as it happens, what better company to take?), and she said that Spoiler Below
yes, it was only revenge for her being unfaithful.










babygodzilla -

hmmm... well that's not that exciting... it's also ambiguous in the movie, they never clearly
stated that.










Quest -



Quote:

everyone's boobs are just about to pop out!!

Isn't that 张艺谋's style? It reminds me of the athens olympics closing ceremony...










skylee -

I have posted the ending song here.

I think Jay Chou is very good in the film. I agree with gougou's remark - "He was the perfect fit
for his role, seeming naive and innocent." The ending is not twistless. I actually thought Jay
would do otherwise, which is what is to be expected of a man if he wants power (think the youngest
prince). But it turns out that he is a better (and thus weaker) man.

I like the film. I think the story is fine. Like the characters and the acting too. The girls next
to me exclaimed lowly when they at last saw clearly Chow's (we don't really call him Yun Fat, we
audience are not really that close to him you see ) blue eyes.

I think I would like the film even better if some of the fighting were cut, and if the director
could just reduce the repetition. I think repetition (or stress if you like) is one of Zhang
Yimou's main techniques but when it becomes too much, it becomes too much. I did not dislike his
telling the same story three times (though from different angles) and the yelling of 風 in
"Hero". But the yelling of each fighting pose and the announcing of each hour (although it has a
purpose in the film) and the lengthy fighting (which is not really that innovative any more
nowdays) are just too much.



Quote:


Originally Posted by gougou

One more thing: if the director wasn't Zhang Yimou, one might be tempted to think that the emperor
concealing discord behind a facade of unity and regularity was directed at China's current
government...


It is perhaps his ultimate plan. First he gave you "Hero", confirming the greater good of unity.
Then he gives you this, telling you how ugly it is behind the scene to maintain the order, and he
covers it up with all that glitters ... (which is why it is important to overdo the colours ).

I saw it in the Warners Village cinemas at the Taipei City Hall area and I suppose they were not
the newest for I would expect better seats for such a price ...










skylee -



Quote:


Originally Posted by babygodzilla

everyone's boobs are just about to pop out!!


Except the doctor's wife's.










gougou -



Quote:

the announcing of each hour (although it has a purpose in the film)

What is the purpose?










ruoxuan -

yes, beautiful scenes and very pleasing colours. but overall it's "华丽的垃圾".












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tlevine -

艾琳2005 studied at Beijing Huagong Daxue and seemed to like it. This makes me wonder whether
there are other universities like this--ones that are not particularly well known for their
language instruction but still have a decent Chinese language program. Has anyone else studied at
a university like this? What did you think about it?



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sthubbar -

The Beijing Film Academy isn't usually what comes to people's mind when they think of studying
Mandarin. Surprise, surprise, they have a special department that caters to foreigners wanting to
learn Mandarin.

What do I like about the Beijing Film Academy Mandarin program?

1) Small classes - easy to interact with the instructor and ask for any clarification or
additional help if desired. Classes range from 3 - 8 students per class

2) Small school - Close interaction with the administration allows for much flexibility. For
example, on Monday I take the Advanced Class, Tuesday - low intermediate, Wednesday, intermediate,
Thursday - Intermediate & Advanced, Friday - Advanced & Low Intermediate. [I really like Listening
& Speaking classes. ] I have a friend enrolled at BLCU. He is enrolled in the B level even though
his Mandarin has advanced much further than that. He is not allowed to switch classes so his
classes are currently worthless.

3) Quality instructors - The instructors here are on par with others I have encountered. This
means that some are good some not so good. With the above mentioned flexibility it is possible to
attend the better teacher's classes and avoid the not so good ones.

4) Less expensive than most other Universities - Leaves more money for other pursuits. 9000 RMB /
semester

5) Surrounded by Artistic Students - The students on campus are future Directors, Screen Writers,
and Actors. On a daily basis there are people around taking pictures or filming or dressing up in
some costumer or wedding gown. Makes life fun.

6) Film Academy - Did I mention this was a film Academy? Do you like watching movies? Well these
people make this their living. Almost every day there is a film being screened. Many of them are
free. They also regularly have Film Fesitivals, for example they just had the International Film
Festival and this week is the Japanese Film Festival.

7) Close to Wudaokou - If you have friends or any connections to Wudaokou it is withing 10 minutes.

Check out there website or drop me a line if you'd like to here more.

http://www.bfa.edu.cn/bfa_english/international.html










tlevine -

sthubbar:
Is it easy to interact with the students from China?
What other schools did you consider attending, and why did you choose the Beijing Film Acadamy
over these?
Are you a "Short term Chinese language student"?










sthubbar -

Intereacting with students is as easy as at any other university.

My reasons are above.

The school is setup to mainly handle a minimum stay of one semester. There are a few students who
have started the semester late.










anthony87 -

Does anyone know how to go about applying to this school? Also, is there on campus housing?










babygodzilla -

That's interesting. Why would you want to take classes of different levels, ranging from low
intermediate to advanced, on different days? Could you elaborate on that? do you mean you have
Advanced Listening on Monday, and Low Intermediate Listening on Tuesday?










mr.stinky -

does it have to be in beijing?

i recently went to guangxi baise to check out the chinese department. coming off
a campus rebuilding effort and renaming of the school (from youjiang minority
teacher's college to baise university) the enrollment had lagged.

they currently have 0 foreign students, but will set up a class with as few as three.
don't have three? they'll give me 1:1 at the same price (US$800/year). this would
be 10 hours per week with the foreigners class, and 6 hours per week with the
chinese students (minorities) learning standard chinese.

can't say anything about the instruction, but it's a fine city. population about 400k with
less than 10 furriners. AND THEY DON'T SPIT!!!










wizwan -

Hey Mr Stinky,

I was particulary interested in your post about about going to guangxi baise...

I gather there aren't any foreigners at all other than you, and you get to study with local
chinese students?! That sounds fantastic..

Can you give us more info about this place please? Where is it? How can I check it out (I'm based
in England at the min)

Sorry I didn't understand what you meant by 'less than 10 furriners' - I've never heard of
furriners!

Thank you!










sthubbar -

Babygodzilla: I attend different level classes because I have pretty specific ideas about how I
want to learn Chinese. I would much rather take a low-intermediate listening class over any
grammar course. I don't know English grammar, why would I want to learn Chinese grammar?!










mr.stinky -

http://www.bsuc.cn/school/iee/IEE_EN_zsjz.htm

i don't actually attend this university (name changed to baise daxue) yet.
it's in downtown baise, not too far from the jiafu (missing the "le") shopping center
and the MFC chicken place.

skipped class last week to accompany my girlfriend to baise on business. while there
i decided to check out the school, cause i really like baise. it's small, clean, and
nobody spits that i saw/heard.

if i finally get fed up with the pollution and traffic and rude people and the high cost of living
in kunming (hahahahah beijing people!!!), i'd like to try baise for a year or so.

but then things here may be looking up. i may be moving out of my girlfriends apartment
into the brand spanking new highrises in the northern 'burbs. only a 20-minute bus
ride (1 kuai) will get you to the new complexes with 85m2 apartments for 550-650 rmb per
month. yes, it's expensive, but should make a nice xmas present for myself.












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Archess_Ney -

Hi all,

I'm looking for someone who can translate chinese into english (or even french, let's dream !).

We want to translate 3 OAV of Detective Conan subbed in chinese, but as I don't read chinese and
don't know chinese people it's pretty hard .

So, if someone is interested by giving us a hand, any help will be welcome.


We are MotherFansubfu-ker-Team, french fansub team.

We're subbing some Conan movies & OAV, and some movies/OAV that french scene haven't yet subbed.
We do not subbed licenced animes.

Here's our site & irc :

- http://motherfansubfu-ker.free.fr/

- #MotherFansubfu-ker-Team on irc.dreams-fr.net



Any help will be appreciated



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roddy -

you might want to look at Chinese Blast - they do similar stuff I think.










imron -

I know you can get Conan in Chinese, but I thought the original was Japanese. Why not translate
from the original Japanese rather than from the Chinese version?










Archess_Ney -

Thankx for the site roddy .

The reason why I want a chinese translator imron, is that it's pretty hard to find someone able to
hear and understand japanese.
As Conan is subbed by a good team, it's more"easy" to find someone who can read chinese.










Archess_Ney -

I also got the only one version of the 2 last OVA of Queen Emeraldas subbed, but I 'm not really
sure it's chinese, could you tell me if it's so ?


Here's the screen :

http://materia.mog.free.fr/Queen_Eme...A_3-4__001.jpg

http://materia.mog.free.fr/Queen_Eme...A_3-4__002.jpg

http://materia.mog.free.fr/Queen_Eme...A_3-4__003.jpg










imron -

It looks Korean to me. It's definately not Chinese.










skylee -

Those are korean subtitles.










Archess_Ney -

Thanks dudes .










XiamenGuide -

Hi! I am interested in translating movie subtitles. I would like to help if the workload is
acceptable. Please contact me via MSN.












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HashiriKata -

Scenes like this make my blood boil. As long as they're from a Western country, even the dumbest
think that they're clever enough and are licensed to teach anyone anywhere!



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Scenes like this make my blood boil.

Must have a very low boiling point - it's a bike lane, they're cars. Hardly rocket science.










heifeng -

I've seen a similar encounter out here with a pair of CHINESE senior citizens (one pushing the
other in a wheel chair) practically going head to head with a car which was doing something
ridiculous and completely blocking their pathway....maybe this would have made for an even more
interesting and convincing picture and showed that SOME drivers have zero respect for the law or
safety of others on the road (sidewalk, parking lot...etc....)










roddy -

Nothing scarier than an angry Chinese granny, I reckon. Or any angry granny!

Frankly if more people did stuff like that the city would rapidly become a much nicer (not to
mention safer) place to live. Matters not what passport they carry. I shall try to remind myself
of this fact next time I find myself turning a blind eye to dodgy driving, queue jumping,
non-smoking area smoking and bar touts. Long live the spirit of angry grannies!










HashiriKata -



Quote:

Must have a very low boiling point

You have no idea Roddy, but I'm still a saint!










Hero Doug -



Quote:

As long as they're from a Western country, even the dumbest think that they're clever enough and
are licensed to teach anyone anywhere!

I can't agree totally with this attitude. There are some thing's that are universal and transcend
culture.

Breaking the law and endangering people (the car incident), jumping ahead in line, smoking, etc,
all bother Chinese people I have talked to (about the subject). There (Chinese) all taught the
same morals were taught, why are we turning a blind eye to the few people that don't follow them?
Especially when it's putting youself in danger, or day I say, peril?










yonitabonita -



Quote:

Scenes like this make my blood boil. As long as they're from a Western country, even the dumbest
think that they're clever enough and are licensed to teach anyone anywhere!

I'd be interested to know what exactly you find so outrageous hashirikata.

Y










bianfuxia -



Quote:

Scenes like this make my blood boil. As long as they're from a Western country, even the dumbest
think that they're clever enough and are licensed to teach anyone anywhere!

Um, dude, how do you know she's dumb? I think the fact she is Western is what got her in the news.
Beyond that, it's irrelevant to the narrative. Like others say, Chinese people take a stand too
from time to time.

I can't really understand why you oppose a weak law-abiding person succeeding in a peaceful
protest against the clear wrong-doing of a person who thought he could get away with breaking the
law by pushing said weak person around.

Perhaps there's something I'm missing in my obviously white-euro-crypto-colonialist interpretation
of events?










wushijiao -



Quote:

I can't agree totally with this attitude. There are some thing's that are universal and transcend
culture.

Breaking the law and endangering people (the car incident), jumping ahead in line, smoking, etc,
all bother Chinese people I have talked to (about the subject).

That's right. There isn't much of a cultural ascpect to these issues if the government and society
of the host country are trying to eliminate these behaviors. This guy is a jackass, who clearly
disobeyed Chinese law, putting bikers at risk. Cars in bike lanes also force the bikes to the
sidewalks, which interferes with pedestrain movement and any businesses on the street.










zhwj -



Quote:

As long as they're from a Western country, even the dumbest think that they're clever enough and
are licensed to teach anyone anywhere!

Coincidentally, the day after these photos appeared, I watched a Chinese TV show that featured the
program host standing at a bus stop blocking people from crossing the road at street-level and
instead directing them to the pedestrian bridge.












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Quote:

When I was in China, before leaving, i never had in mind this would be a "period of celibate" or
never thought "great, i'm going to date exotic"... I just didn't thought a second about a dating
question (just my dad laugh and said "bring us back a nice chinese guy" because as he saw i was so
interested in china he thought it must be an interest in every aspect of china -including chinese
guys. ).

I completely agree with this. When coming to Beijing (5 yrs ago) I hadn't given this subject any
thought. Some friends teased me that I would hook up with a Chinese guy there, and warned me to
make sure I would bring him over and not stay there with him, but I didn't plan ahead for celibacy
or dating Asians or anything. I was more concerned with tickets and visa and the like.

The result was pretty much what the OP wrote. Met a Western guy I liked, he turned out to have a
Chinese girlfriend. I didn't especially like or dislike Asian men, back home I hardly knew any. In
China I got to know some Asian men, and learned to see what shuai is, and got a taste for Asians.
In the end I almost got together with a Singaporean, but then SARS came and we both left.

As to my white female classmates then, one was not available, one didn't get lucky all year (as
far as I know, that is), one sort of dated an African man.

Two years later I went to Taibei, by then I knew about the 'white men date Asian women and white
women are left over'-phenomenon, but it didn't stop me from going to TW, and again, I didn't plan
ahead about celibacy or anything. And there I didn't have any trouble finding 'companionship',
mostly Asian (Taiwanese), but also a white guy, although nothing long-term. I suppose it helps
that I think Asian men can be very attractive, and Taiwanese men are the best-looking Asians I
have seen so far. Too bad they're often not so tall (and I am).

To quote Fangfang again, this was just my case.

And in fact, I think Asian (ok, Taiwanese) men are very protective towards women. Carrying their
bags (even purse), holding doors open, buying them dinner, I rarely get that in Holland, and
frankly I don't like it at all. I'm still strong enough to carry my own purse, and have enough
money of my own to pay my own way, thankyouverymuch. But they mean well, of course.



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mandarinstudent -

Ok, so after roddy cleared up the mess, we have one vote for celibacy and the rest are in favor of
sampling the Chinese fare. I wouldn't have guessed this. Pretty much when I was in the US, if the
topic of asian males came up, the girls would make a face. Maybe the girls that come to China are
a different breed...










Lu -



Quote:

going to China to live in an area with hardly any other westerners. I dont expect to be getting
any action whilst there eh!



Quote:

what the hell am i gonna do over the next few months

I disagree Mandarinstudent, I see two women who ended up sampling the Asian fare, and two who
haven't really chosen either yet, but expect to be celibate. Ask them again in a year or so and
they might have had some action after all.










woshimaeguoren -

Ok, first of all, hello to everyone. It's my first time posting here.

I'm a white female, so here goes... I first went to Taiwan to teach many moons ago (when I was
19). Like all of the other girls here, I didn't think about "companionship." I was thinking about
the adventure, learning Chinese, getting to know a new culture. I was excited by all of those
things and my life was very full - teaching, going on outings with my students. I did get the idea
early on that there were no available waiguoren around, but I didn't try terribly hard to find
them either. It seemed obvious that the white guy-Chinese girl thing was occupying most of them,
so I just stayed out of it. I spent a total of about three years in Taiwan and Asia and this was
true of the whole time I was there. (It wasn't continuous - I went back to my home country for
stretches at a time).

One of my Chinese students, looking back, might have been interested in a relationship. We did
spend time together, sightseeing, going around on his motorcyle, etc. But he was quite a bit older
and I still was very naive about relationships. I didn't give him any sense that I might be
interested (and I wasn't, really).

Now, many years later and single again, I know a lot more about what I'd like in a relationship.
I'm considering going back to teach English in China or Taiwan, but I have had it in my mind from
the beginning that I would probably be alone (celebate) if I did so. It's not that I don't like
the look of Chinese guys, but I don't find that they are terribly interested in independent
foreign women. For whatever reason, that's the reality. And I'm not interested in the more
"traditional" kind of guy either. A good friend of mine (white American) married a Chinese guy who
is very intelligent and has (unique for Chinese) a very American sense of humor. He's a great guy,
but he still has some traditional Chinese attitudes about him that are hard to deal with.

I'm not saying it would be impossible for me to find a compatible Chinese man, but I think it
would not be likely. If I went, I would be accepting my fate - maybe planning good vacations ; )
It's sad, too, because I really want to improve my Chinese and teach in Asia again. I love it. I'm
trying to make this decision and this is a major factor in the decision-making process. Foreigners
(white guys) in China just don't even figure in to the equation. Though I feel like we would have
a lot in common, there is just no way I would want to compete with the whole "rock-star" status
they have with Chinese women. Not really interested in that drama.

So there you go. That's my story.










woshimaeguoren -

Any comments? Did I scare everyone away?










Kiwijes -



Quote:

I'm not saying it would be impossible for me to find a compatible Chinese man, but I think it
would not be likely. If I went, I would be accepting my fate - maybe planning good vacations ; )
Foreigners (white guys) in China just don't even figure in to the equation. Though I feel like we
would have a lot in common, there is just no way I would want to compete with the whole
"rock-star" status they have with Chinese women. Not really interested in that drama.


I think you got it spot on with this Woshimaeguoren!! That whole "rock star" thing is brilliant
and exactly right. I couldnt be bothered with any of that! Plus, i'm not there to hook up!

So I agree. It's not impossible to find a compatible Chinese guy, it's just not something I expect
to happen.

Also, there are only a small amount of western guys. The chances of finding the right one seems
pretty small. You'd more than likely end up "settling". I dont mean that to sound mean to the
western guys (im sure there are some great catches!) but face it, what are the chances that your
dream western guy is one of the 8 in the same town as you?! (Ok, so that's based on a relationship
rather than just a lay but same thing applies!)










roddy -

Still deleting responses from guys . . .










Meng Lelan -

Good job, Roddy, keep it up. I'm sure this thread is working you hard.

On to the point. I was a female foreigner in China. Wasn't looking for anyone though a Western guy
seemed very interested in me (he and I spoke near fluent Chinese). Then a Chinese girl got him in
the end. I would attribute it to the "rock star" status that Western guys have with Chinese
females.

The point of being in China, I believe, is not in "looking for someone", it is about experiencing
China. However I would not rule out a relationship with a Chinese native. At the same time I would
rule out a relationship with Western guys while in China for the above mentioned "rock star"
reason.










woshimaeguoren -



Quote:

The point of being in China, I believe, is not in "looking for someone", it is about experiencing
China. However I would not rule out a relationship with a Chinese native. At the same time I would
rule out a relationship with Western guys while in China for the above mentioned "rock star"
reason.

Well, I don't think "looking for someone" is why any of us go to China or teach in other
countries, however, if you decide to stay for any length of time, you begin to consider these
things. Who likes being alone?

And by the way, I just wanted to mention that I don't think Western guys that come to teach in
China are "losers" particularly any more than Western females are. (I'm referring to a deleted
"guy" post). It's a life/career choice, plain and simple. We all have our reasons for doing it.
Some (like me) were just born curious about the world and have a bit the wanderlust in us. Some
(like me) enjoy the language and the culture, and ok SOME guys might come for the hot Chinese
women. Who knows? If I were a guy, would I use the rockstar factor to my advantage in finding a
mate? I don't know. Maybe I would.
I certainly wouldn't do the Chinabounder thing, though. (Ick) Now THOSe guys ARE losers.










Lu -

To play the devil's advocate: if I were a guy (hell, even being a girl) I would definately use
that rock star-status, to a point. Who doesn't like the attention of many pretty girls (M/F),
especially when at home one wasn't that popular? It's important to be honest, and not deceive any
of those girls (like Chinabounder may have done, but as far as I've read he was clear enough about
his intentions), but apart from that, I don't see something terribly wrong with it.

Meng Lelan: Yeah, usually some Chinese girl gets him :-/ Still, I wouldn't rule out a relationship
with a western guy, even in China. Some guys are just not interested in Chinese girls, and prefer
an independent woman, who also understands their culture, and with whom they can have a real
conversation.












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